Spire Specialist City

[CrazyWizard]

If I read the Pushing description correctly, it does not cover diamonds.
Bullet 1. You are not transferring it between accounts. Same account.
Bullet 2. Create a trade between worlds? Don’t know how one can see the acquisition of diamonds as such. If so, then the buying of diamonds is also a push action as it can be used on any world on the same account.
Bullet 3. Not applicable.

The easiest solution to stop potential gain of diamonds in one city for use in another city, is to break the link and let each city only use what was created there.

I think the creation of the spire specialist cities are for the sheer challenge of it and the satisfaction of actually pulling it off rather than the dark suspicion of push cities.

Look at nintendo, you gave "nintendo gold points" that are usuable in each game.
And there are "silver points" that you can only use in the game you aquire it.

I am still amazed after wishing well farms and whatever they still have not implemented a similar system where you can use any diamonds you aquire with real money can be used anywhere and free diamonds can only be used in the world you aquired them.

That sais as you pointed out there is no pushing in any shape or form according to the rules, Inno-games themselves ditch it all on 1 pile. no transfers ect happen. there is just 1 big pile you can use wherever you desire.

And yes it's a lot of fun to play an spire based account, I am builing it for more than a year now. and I am getting close to completion, I still need 2 libraries and still to many endless scrolls for my liking. then the goal will be to premium all buildings and improve t1 production,
It would also be awesome if we get some nice t1 producing building in an event to replace some of the factories.

It's like a game in a game

 

[Heymrdiedier]

Full Game Rules can be located in your game, on the home page of the Forum: https://en.forum.elvenar.com/index.php?pages/game_rules/

§7 Pushing

• Operating a “push-account” is forbidden. This is defined as unbalanced routine resource (resources, Knowledge Points etc.) transfers from one account to the next even if involved accounts do not belong to the same player.
• It is forbidden to create trades in any form (goods, Knowledge Points etc.) that involve multiple worlds.
• Please note that it is strictly forbidden to use the invite feature to invite yourself or players that share an internet connection with you.

I'm only saying that a city that is built to support other cities are against the rules.
From that I think it's clear that a spire city that is built with the purpose to gather diamonds to be used in other cities is such a city.

If these are the rules you are referring too, then i think your claim is invalid.
Since you are not using anything from one account to another, diamands are account bound so it stays within the same account.

Also I think its silly they still haven't removed that 3rd point from that rule section, since there is no invite feature in elvenar and there never has been one....

 

[Killiak]

Inno actually understanding and applying their own pushing rules?

Sure! And pigs can fly.

 

[Timneh]

We all know that push accounts are not allowed but we also know that they do exist and nothing gets done about them. Some time ago a player even admitted on this forum that they had push accounts on a thread that the CM and mods posted on and nothing was done. That in my opinion speaks volumes.

 

[BlueBlou]

Never say nothing is done. I know of a case where a player was false accused and banned for a while until innocence could be proven.

 

[Pauly7]

The fact is that wanting to gain more diamonds and then wanting to be able to choose how to spend those diamonds is a part of the game. Inno decided to link someone's diamonds into one pool per player on an account, so this is the game working as intended. When you purchase diamonds, you purchase them as a player - not as a city.

In any case - My second city may be created with diamond accumulation in mind, but it is still a perfectly well functioning city. I have a good fellowship who I will help to gain blueprints and to win Spire gold medals and I will take part in Fellowship Adventures. I will then just have the perfectly valid choice to spend any diamonds I have, wherever I would like.

 

[Timneh]

OK I will say rarely does anything get done instead.

 

[Pauly7]

To go back to the original topic though - Something I have been thinking about recently is: If I decide to progress this city on to the Orc chapter (to break the Orc wall and possibly utilise Prosperity Towers), it occurs to me that trying to work through the Dwarves and Fairies chapters may be challenging, to say the least, i.e. trying to put in a guest race without adding any extra space that I won't need once I finish progressing through the story.

I guess it will come to the point that I will also need to consider at least a small amount of Orc production, in order to continue unlocking provinces. I suppose I would just need the space for a single Orc Nest and then be patient.

 

[Silmaril]

We all know that push accounts are not allowed but we also know that they do exist and nothing gets done about them. Some time ago a player even admitted on this forum that they had push accounts on a thread that the CM and mods posted on and nothing was done. That in my opinion speaks volumes.

I cannot speak for my predecessors, but since I took over a year ago, every Push Account is investigated and dealt with in accordance with our Game Rules. So your comments are far from correct.
Many alledged Push Accounts are far from that as many players will prefer to use Diamonds to accellerate their growth and of course their Ranking. So it is not assumed that just because a player is advancing rapidly that they are doing this by breaking the rules.

 

[CrazyWizard]

To go back to the original topic though - Something I have been thinking about recently is: If I decide to progress this city on to the Orc chapter (to break the Orc wall and possibly utilise Prosperity Towers), it occurs to me that trying to work through the Dwarves and Fairies chapters may be challenging, to say the least, i.e. trying to put in a guest race without adding any extra space that I won't need once I finish progressing through the story.

I guess it will come to the point that I will also need to consider at least a small amount of Orc production, in order to continue unlocking provinces. I suppose I would just need the space for a single Orc Nest and then be patient.

Not really, you only need a portal.
Rememeber spire specialist? spire throws PP at you at alarming rates and none of these chapters need non PP goods.

 

[Pauly7]

Rememeber spire specialist? spire throws PP at you at alarming rates and none of these chapters need non PP goods.

Yeah, I guess I was thinking in terms of upgrading the portals to level 4, but I suppose that's not really necessary... just a bit more patience again.

 

[CrazyWizard]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking in terms of upgrading the portals to level 4, but I suppose that's not really necessary... just a bit more patience again.

You upgrade the portal with PP in dwarves
in fairies you need a bit of junk, but build one and take your time to get the goods then build the other to get the goods.

similar with orcs, you're not in a hurry.
Portal upgrade is the only thing you sometimes need a little bit of junk for.
If needed for that little bit you can teleport some needed goods for a very short time to het those.

 

[Pauly7]

You upgrade the portal with PP in dwarves
in fairies you need a bit of junk, but build one and take your time to get the goods then build the other to get the goods.

similar with orcs, you're not in a hurry.
Portal upgrade is the only thing you sometimes need a little bit of junk for.
If needed for that little bit you can teleport some needed goods for a very short time to het those.

I certainly will be in no hurry. It will take me a while to reach Dwarves. It's all good though. This week was my first Spire week and getting to the top was already way easier than it is in my main city. I'll have 1,890 points in the tournament, limited by the 7 provinces I have right now, but doing both hasn't put me in any trouble for resources.

So the Fairies chapter may be the thinker, should I go that far. As you say, a bit of teleporting should get the job done. I don't imagine needing to build the orcs settlement. I would just need to open the chapter so the Orc Nests start giving me Orcs.

Event questing may be a no-go. I may post this in the event thread later, but one early quest is "use one pet food or fight and win one encounter". My only way through that would be to build the Snowy Owl, craft a pet food, use it, then delete it again. Not sure if there are any other quests like that coming up. If there are then I would have to keep the owl... or else forget the event.

 

[Deleted User - 1759805]

Event questing may be a no-go. I may post this in the event thread later, but one early quest is "use one pet food or fight and win one encounter". My only way through that would be to build the Snowy Owl, craft a pet food, use it, then delete it again. Not sure if there are any other quests like that coming up. If there are then I would have to keep the owl... or else forget the event.

I am pretty sure that disenchanting pet food counts as usage.

 

[Pauly7]

I am pretty sure that disenchanting pet food counts as usage.

Does it really? How interesting. I'll try that.

 

[Pauly7]

I am pretty sure that disenchanting pet food counts as usage.

It worked! Many thanks for that tip.

 

[Gargon667]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking in terms of upgrading the portals to level 4, but I suppose that's not really necessary... just a bit more patience again.

they are 4x4 in dwarves and fairies

 

[Pauly7]

So I've been thinking about this again.

Without breaking the "Orc Wall" we can clear 220 provinces, which says to me that it should be possible to get 6,500 tournament scores without having to go that far.

So now I'm mulling over the idea of stopping the storyline progress earlier again - which most of you were advising anyway. What I would be interested to work out now, though, is how much goods you would need to produce in order to cater a 24 province tournament to six stars.

I know there isn't an easy answer to this as it depends on so many factors, but I am guessing that there is absolutely no way to do that with the small city footprint that I currently have (16 squares.) Right now I'm about to unlock Superior Residences in chapter 3. I'm thinking that I would be well served to at least open chapter 4, in order to get the vastly improved Magic Residences, but then would I go on and unlock "Superior Marble Manus" (they are the 4x3 size ones in a Human city).

Then there is the question of T3 in negotiations. Does that kick in from chapter 4? I'm still thinking of stopping in chapter 3, but laying down a bigger space to dramatically increase goods production.

 

[BlueBlou]

No, T3 kicks in in chapter 5. You can get away with not building any T3 buildings, but trading for what you need for opening provinces, with either t2 or t1. The gum tree and the mana tree will also give a small amount of magic dust. Not building T3 will also save on the amount of tools you need to keep it running.

If you do decide to go to chapter 4, keep in mind that you need a lot more residences to accommodate the population needs of the bigger t1 buildings.

If you stop in chapter 3, you will not be able to open provinces up to the orc ring, as your town hall capacity will be less than the cost of exploration eventually. I am unable to say how many provinces on average that will be.

Just a few more aspects for you to consider.

 

[Pauly7]

If you stop in chapter 3, you will not be able to open provinces up to the orc ring, as your town hall capacity will be less than the cost of exploration eventually. I am unable to say how many provinces on average that will be.

OK this is an important point to consider, but there are no Main Hall upgrades between the start of chapter 3 and the back end of Dwarves... so that changes everything.