Paladestar
Enchanter
I especially liked the 50% Portal Profit offer for 1,440 diamonds, gave me a good chuckle!
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I just checked and today, with the Black Friday sales, I could buy a 32" TV for the price of 1 mermaid, for the price of 2 I could can get a 43" onelol £50 for Air traders set, I disenchanted it today, £50 worth of stuff. £75 for Gingerbread Mansion or Mermaids Paradise, really??? Hmm, so do I get 2 Mermaids Paradise or a small LED TV... choices, choices lol. Ridiculous!!!
Haha, I have 2 mermaids and 20 artifacts, 100 euros for the lotI have a Gingerbread house and 12 artefacts in my inventory. I'm willing to undercut Inno. Would anyone like to buy it off me for £60?
You won't convince me of this any more than I'd convince you to deviate from the party line.We would be able to defend this @Pauly7. As an international company we also have a legal team to make sure that we are well within the law and operate in a consistent and fair manner.
Whoah... 33% discount? Cher-ching.Haha, I have 2 mermaids and 20 artifacts, 100 euros for the lot
So as I am not a legal specialist by any stretch if the imagination. I have consulted with our legal team this afternoon to get you the following clarification:
I'd be interested to see InnoGames defend that in a court of law. Not that I wish to see that, of course, because I don't want to see the game I love take that type of a hit.
It would be like me producing a product. Let's say I'm making Christmas wreaths and then selling them. I could sit here and work out a complex algorithm to decide what I consider to be the possible value of these Christmas wreaths to potential customers. I could decide that value is £20. There's nothing wrong with that. My choice... but if I put them straight on sale for £15 and announced that was a 25% discount, I would be prevented from making that advertisement within minutes... and if I continued, I would be prosecuted.
As for Inno's valuations - I know that even if this is a legal loophole that works for them in Germany, the valuation would no doubt still need to be substantiated. We can use our old friend the portal profit spell, which we discussed recently in relation to the crafting value that they place on these. I said at the time, and I still maintain, there isn't a single player who would consider a 20% portal profit spell to be worth 10 combining catalysts. There's nothing wrong with it because that's all just moving in-game resources around, but today InnoGames have put a dollar/pound value on portal profit spells by attempting to sell them for 1,440 diamonds for a 50% spell. To see them defend the claim that this is a sale including a 10% discount would be fun.
It is somewhat off topic, but I came across an NDA online for another of Inno's games. The gist is that Grepolis seems to have experimented with elected player representatives (to talk to developers of behalf of the players) and a legal non-disclosure agreement was prepared for these players reps which was apparently intended to prevent them feeding back anything to the players without prior approval in writing. This seemed a bit extreme to me, and perhaps explains much of the difficulty we have in getting any meaningful engagement with the devs on many topics (e.g. tournament changes).
I can understand Inno not wanting to discuss details of how they make money from their games (although a great deal is available online if you look hard), but this NDA still seems a bit heavy handed. I really don't understand why they aren't prepared to discuss game mechanics related issues.
I havent read the NDA do you have a link?
On the other hand it makes sense to have an NDA when you get access to information about the development process.
Just 1 simple example for why an NDA is needed is lets say they discuss a cool feature and those people share that with players.
Then it turns out that feature is impossible / to expensive to implement, now everyone expects that feature, and is very dissapointed.
Or a change is planned and that change is not beneficial for a sale you had planned, now people do not buy your product because they know it's not a good offer because they have information earlier then you want.
there are 2 simple examples of why NDA's are needed even if it's only about developement.
So as I am not a legal specialist by any stretch if the imagination.
This, exactly.I think that the whole point of this topic is being missed. The practice is misleading at best, so even if you find a way to squeak through legally that doesn't change it from being morally reprehensible.
LoL, it's a good thing you are quick with the quote, my post didn't even last 5 minutes before being censored. Now I remember why I'm not here anymore.Hey @SoggyShorts, haven't seen you this side of the fence in a while!
This, exactly.