Paladestar
Enchanter
I especially liked the 50% Portal Profit offer for 1,440 diamonds, gave me a good chuckle! 
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Diamond cost reduction?
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Hekata
Artisan
These Inno Black Friday offers always give me a good chuckle
I just checked and today, with the Black Friday sales, I could buy a 32" TV for the price of 1 mermaid, for the price of 2 I could can get a 43" one
Hekata
Artisan
Haha, I have 2 mermaids and 20 artifacts, 100 euros for the lotI have a Gingerbread house and 12 artefacts in my inventory. I'm willing to undercut Inno. Would anyone like to buy it off me for £60?
Pauly7
Magus
You won't convince me of this any more than I'd convince you to deviate from the party line.
It is what it is.
Pauly7
Magus
Whoah... 33% discount? Cher-ching.Haha, I have 2 mermaids and 20 artifacts, 100 euros for the lot
So as I am not a legal specialist by any stretch if the imagination. I have consulted with our legal team this afternoon to get you the following clarification:
Competition law on discounts/rebates applies regardless of whether the product in question is a physical good or a virtual good.
Regardless of whether the item is a physical or virtual good, we need to make sure that the original price is accurate (Sec. 5 (1) No. 2 UWG), which it is.
The original price is accurate if
Competition law on discounts/rebates applies regardless of whether the product in question is a physical good or a virtual good.
Regardless of whether the item is a physical or virtual good, we need to make sure that the original price is accurate (Sec. 5 (1) No. 2 UWG), which it is.
The original price is accurate if
- The original price has actually been charged in the past (for an item that has been sold before).
- The original price will be charged in the future for at least several weeks or months (for an item that has never been on offer before, such as this building).
- If the price is fixed and assigned in internal pricing lists (for sale-only items).
DeletedUser6472
Guest
If this company really made an effort of offering something good to us, as so many companies do during this period of year, I'm sure that many of us would be tempted to spend a little something. Many of us spending a little something is better, than none of us spending big... A new addition to the list of ridiculousness: 1 pet food for 350 diamonds, lol I have no words...
Far Reach
Conjurer
It is somewhat off topic, but I came across an NDA online for another of Inno's games. The gist is that Grepolis seems to have experimented with elected player representatives (to talk to developers of behalf of the players) and a legal non-disclosure agreement was prepared for these players reps which was apparently intended to prevent them feeding back anything to the players without prior approval in writing. This seemed a bit extreme to me, and perhaps explains much of the difficulty we have in getting any meaningful engagement with the devs on many topics (e.g. tournament changes).
I can understand Inno not wanting to discuss details of how they make money from their games (although a great deal is available online if you look hard), but this NDA still seems a bit heavy handed. I really don't understand why they aren't prepared to discuss game mechanics related issues.
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Gargon667
Mentor
The question is if they do anything illegal at all, I doubt they are. Most likely their algorithm has said it´s worth 1000, and it has said so for a year and a half now. So now they reduce the price by 20%. In the end even if someone would bother trying this in a court they´d probabaly get told not to do this again, if (and that´s a big if) anyone found anything wrong at all. I am pretty sure they would have asked their lawyers if they can do this or not legally or at least without getting punished for it. So I would say it´s rather safe to say they´ll never get punished for it.
Btw I would say this 800 diamonds for a DA has been the best of all the offers so far today, not that I am going to do that, I figured it let´s me flip the MA 16 times for that, I am more likely to get more good stuff from that than from 1 DA. But at least I considered it, which is rather rare for these kinds of deals that i usually don´t even bother looking at.
The evolving buildings are a hilarious offer
, but it shows how useless their pricing algorithm is, so it may be worth keeping an eye on it, something may slip through at some point. Out of those 4 or 5 offers the cheapest one (of course still way overpriced) is by far the best one. The Yeti Santa Set, beats all the other stuff and costs less than half. Well the mermaids of course are good for FAs, but for the kind of money they are asking??? I might spend 5 euros (or maybe 1000 diamonds) if I´m in a generous mood for a christmas donation to Inno, but this is stretching it a bit far. They can´t target regular players with these offers, they must target either newbies that have no idea of the value of a building or people that have so much money they really don´t care what it costs.CrazyWizard
Shaman
I havent read the NDA do you have a link?
On the other hand it makes sense to have an NDA when you get access to information about the development process.
Just 1 simple example for why an NDA is needed is lets say they discuss a cool feature and those people share that with players.
Then it turns out that feature is impossible / to expensive to implement, now everyone expects that feature, and is very dissapointed.
Or a change is planned and that change is not beneficial for a sale you had planned, now people do not buy your product because they know it's not a good offer because they have information earlier then you want.
there are 2 simple examples of why NDA's are needed even if it's only about developement.
Far Reach
Conjurer
I originally posted the link, but my post was edited by the moderators to remove it. I wasn't aware that I had infringed any rules, but perhaps this whole thread is seen as provocative. (To be fair to Innogames they are funding and supporting forums which are sometimes quite critical of them)
The link is easy to find on Google. For example it is the second link when searching on Innogames and "Player Council".
Far Reach
Conjurer
I absolutely agree, (although note that features are often shared by advance by those who find them in the game files). My view on reading it was that the NDA went beyond what was needed though (possibly just through excessive legal caution).
I'd like to find a way that sensible mutual discussions around game mechanics could be had, whilst ensuring that Inno still retained its intellectual property and business secrets.
We are trying to work out how to do that too @Far Reach hence nothing has moved so far whilst this is in flux.
Killiak
Artisan
Me neither. Yet the EU page I linked gives me enough pause to think your legal team is skimming a very, VERY, fine line. These items are not on sale regularly, there is no consistant Elvenar in-game shop that sells this stuff, and your legal team is dancing on the technicality of the item being sold again in the future, maybe.
Personally I think Inno is over that line, but is not big enough to get noticed.
That said, I think all these offers and deals are laughable rip-offs.
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Pauly7
Magus
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Guest
LoL, it's a good thing you are quick with the quote, my post didn't even last 5 minutes before being censored. Now I remember why I'm not here anymore.
Deleted User - 341074
Guest
Why did my most recent post get deleted? It wasn't provocative, rude, or anything, just a legit question on how diamonds can be valued differently on different accounts.