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Are They Making the Tournaments Harder?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Rinkidink, Dec 15, 2018.

  1. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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    Do you need me to believe you or would you like to share how you do it? I'd love to know how you can predict the enemy stacks for the four fights in a province before that province opens up for you.
     
  2. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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    I'm sorry if it upset you that much. I was happy to stop number of times till you brought in more discussion topics.
    Take care of yourself
     
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  3. Killiak

    Killiak Illusionist

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    Rocket Science!
    Have a nice day
    *mic drop*
     
  4. yo momma love me

    yo momma love me Conjurer

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    i think angel and soggy both made this waaaay more complicated than it needed to be:eek: i wonder if maybe either of them is a lawyer or a politician?
    ok, just kidding.:D
    for the most part, i agree w/ soggy. skipping those optional squad sizes seems better for me because i do fight a lot in tournaments and i think that's best for most people.
    angel has a point that if someone fights more in regular encounters, then they can be better off getting those squad size upgrades.
    the tough question is if whether we fight and lose troops more in tournaments or in regular encounters.
    i think tournaments are very rewarding. most people should do a lot in them to benefit their cities. building and upgrading combat wonders is very useful because fighting is usually much more efficient than catering. i think Jack has a video about catering vs. fighting somewhere on youtube or at "gems".
     
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  5. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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    In the world provinces, you use 100% of your squad size so every lost battle is harder to replace than any battle in provinces no 20 and lower in the tournament.

    I actually cater the world provinces that’s why I like squad size upgrades as they reduce my catering costs (not for already scouted provinces, only for not yet scouted provinces). My current provinces are blue – very easy.

    PS I was a Chartered Accountant and now I make money trading futures. That could explain some things :D
     
  6. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Enchanter

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    No, they don't.
    I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore to your posts, but the negotiating costs on the world map have zero connection to your squad size, sorry.

    I've done many things over the years, but I think the more relevant ones are teaching and running a casino.:p
    You'd think I'd do a better job at explaining math, but I guess not.
     
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  7. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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    Based on my research so far, the catering costs are related to the difficulty of the battle. The more difficult the battle, the higher catering costs. The more difficult means the higher the enemy squad in relation to your squad size available in that battle.

    Of course, I could be completely wrong and when I'm proven wrong, I'll happily admit that and will thank you for providing helpful information. :)
     
  8. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Enchanter

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    To be perfectly clear, I was talking about the world map negotiating since you said that you think that increasing your SS help you there, and it does not.

    On the world map the number of troops you face, and the negotiating costs of those encounters is determined solely by the cost to scout that province.
    The methodology I used to test this after the devs stated this was the case on both the US and Beta Forums was to have
    2 cities at the same number of scouted provinces, and SS techs.
    City #1 scouted the next province
    City # 2 completed research and activated an SS, and then scouted
    The troops faced by each city and the negotiating costs were the same.

    Feel free to test it yourself, or send a ticket to support asking.
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  9. RainbowElvira

    RainbowElvira Adventurer

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    I found this statement on elvengems:
    "The cost of the scout also determines the price of negotiations, and the difficulty of the battles if you choose to fight."

    Btw, I skipped almost every possible squad size upgrade (squad size 2295 at the end of Amuni) and my provinces are blue, too. IMO, there are too many mandatory squad size upgrades in the last few chapters.

    This is about world provinces and must not be confused with tournament provinces.

    Researching all squad size upgrades
    • makes world map fights easier
    • has no impact on world map negotiation cost
    • makes tournament fights more expensive
    • makes tournament catering more expensive
     
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  10. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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    Can you please give me something so I can test it in my city. Sorry, but I got burnt couple of times by using other people's information and I want to make sure that other players get correct advice. I've read through other related posts and I haven't find a conclusive information, a link would be really useful too.
     
  11. yo momma love me

    yo momma love me Conjurer

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    much easier to just post a simple question in the questions and help section and trust an answer you get from a moderator or check out the websites.
     
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  12. RainbowElvira

    RainbowElvira Adventurer

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    I found this post by @Dizzy Lizzie, but cannot quote it :confused:

    Squad size upgrades do not reduce negotiation costs of a province encounter!
     
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  13. CleverAngel777

    CleverAngel777 Conjurer

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  14. LadyHavva

    LadyHavva Sorcerer

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    I think this can be tested simply by checking the catering costs of a province (but not yet catering) and then doing an SS research and checking the costs again. Since it is the exact same province you are comparing before and after an SS research you will be sure and you won't need a second city to make the comparison :p
     
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  15. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Enchanter

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    I did. I told you the exact methodology used.
    1. Pick a server
    2. Make 2 identical cities

    When you reach an SS tech
    3. In city #1 scout a province
    4. In city #2 research an SS tech, and then scout the same province.

    5. Compare provinces

    Should take less than an hour.
    I have no problem testing and verifying things, but if you don't believe my results, it is up to you to put in the work and test it yourself-- why would I do it again?
     
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  16. EdwardTrunk

    EdwardTrunk Alchemist

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    This thread is beginning to look like a Monty Python sketch.

    Soggy, you really deserve some sort of medal for keeping your cool.

    Now then, is this a five minute argument or the full half hour? :D
     
  17. FatOldElf

    FatOldElf Bard

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    Every next round enemy sq size is growing, while yours isn't, that's why each next tourney round becomes more harder (more losses)

    If you research a sq size tech, your sq size becomes bigger, but tournament wont get easier, because tournament round difficulty is in % from your actual sq size. If your sq size grows, that means enemy sq size is growing too.

    If your sq size has grown you will only need more units = doing sq size upgrades makes tourney harder.

    SS upgrades help with fights on map ....who the f fights on map? you train troops 24/7 for tourney and you negotiate map :)
     
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  18. FatOldElf

    FatOldElf Bard

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    people talk, that over scouting makes your tournament more difficult...
    do you have any formula on this one?
    im just curious, not that its bothering me, but would be nice to see the numbers.
     
  19. SoggyShorts

    SoggyShorts Enchanter

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    The number is zero.
    Scouting has zero effect on the tournament. A couple of years ago tournaments were based on completed provinces much as they are on SS now, but that changed long ago.
     

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