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Official Discord server arrives September 11th 2023!

SkyRider99

Immortal
feedback will then just stop because the youngest players won’t take the time to give feedback
Agree with you there @C-Nymph. There are undoubtedly a variety of reasons why younger players do not, and will not, contribute significantly to the forum. I could say something about our declining educational standards, but I refrain. But perhaps the chaotic and frenzied social media approach, such as the Discord replacement, will be more suited to their culture and mentality. :confused:

The average in our fellowship is 40-42, so we can be considered old millennials
Oops. Now I am feeling especially ancient, decrepit, and irrelevant. The latter is certainly part of getting older in the Real World, but I had hoped to have found a refuge inside Elvenar. When Discord takes over I suspect a few older players will simply fade away. Such is life!

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Stucon

Illusionist
It’s all about money and revenue. Making profit for the stakeholders. Nothing more. It’s a passionless business.
As are most larger businesses.
At the end of the day the purpose of (nearly) all businesses is making money.
£$€ only three on my keyboard!
 

Laurelin

Sorcerer
So, the hammer finally falls. How sad. Sic transit, etc.

@C-Nymph has well summarised the inevitable and predictable trajectory of almost any originally PC-based video game which elects to shift its focus to the vastly different world of mobile 'gaming' ~ a term which barely even applies in the case of 95% or more of the, er, products offered within that sphere.

Some years ago, I read a gaming industry statistic indicating that Game X, within any genre, will earn an average of 5 times more revenue on mobile than on PC. Excellent news for corporations whose main or sole priority is shareholder profit. Not such good news for talented game developers, who incidentally have my every sympathy in the present case, nor of course for players who prefer to play games, rather than to pay for [renting] 'game services', as mobile games are frequently described in their legal user agreements.

One aspect of this sorry débacle which is perhaps less often discussed is the fact that many mobile 'games' are now merely frameworks which exist solely to serve advertising (typically promoting other 'games') and/or to keep people online for as long as possible while background software harvests, and often then sells, their personal data.

In some cases this provides notably more revenue even than the increasingly costly and prevalent in-game microtransactions which infest most mobile games, or their weekly/monthly subscriptions, recurring paid 'Event passes', etc. ~ and more so, too, now that a major part of all user activity on all mobile devices, in games or in any other activity, is used, covertly or openly, in the large-scale training of AI software owned by private entities, especially Large Language Models such as ChatGPT. Even Microsoft's Bing search engine is getting in on that act.

Discord is well known to be one of the most egregious data-farming offenders, particularly via its [poorly] recently re-designed and counter-intuitive mobile version, being now little more than a thinly disguised form of Anti-Social Meeja, about which unpleasant realm nothing really needs to be said, IMO.

And finally, just to add another point, too, to the already disturbing list of Discord hazards provided above by @m4rt1n : you won't find this openly stated on the type of website which our friend (and core enabler of the Internet data farming dystopia), Google, will admit to its top 100 search results, but Discord has also become one of the go-to hang-outs of persons and organisations responsible for generating and disseminating illegal pornography and similarly obnoxious material.

Truly, this is a triumph of greed and moral bankruptcy over all else on Inno's behalf, although I rather suspect that MTG, Inno's owner and a far larger corporate player, is very probably the ultimate source of the decision.

Needless to say, I won't be joining the Discord Brave New... venture.

Goodbye, good health, and good luck, to all who know me here. It's been fun.

~ Laurelin... the Disappointed. Very.
 

SkyRider99

Immortal
One aspect of this sorry débacle which is perhaps less often discussed is the fact that many mobile 'games' are now merely frameworks which exist solely to serve advertising (typically promoting other 'games') and/or to keep people online for as long as possible while background software harvests, and often then sells, their personal data.
Absolutely correct @Laurelin. It goes deeper and more insidiously than that also. But even if the mobile-consuming masses knew that, they would still happily and greedily place their collective rights and freedoms on the chopping block of entertainment. Perhaps it makes them feel virtuous and tech-savvy to sacrifice their privacy to unknown dictators and oppressors.

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Needless to say, I won't be joining the Discord Brave New... venture.
I hope you will hang around the current forum until its ultimate demise. :cool:
 

Hekata

Artisan
So much discord between members, but sadly looking today everyone but a few are now there.

I cannot put into words how I feel so will let Rod say it for me

These are sad times for the forum community indeed. But as we have all here learnt from expérience, once Inno decides on something they almost never change their mind about it. So our choices are to either slowly move to Discord or leave the community and the source for Info and help :( I'll keep on visiting the forum for as long as it's active for what it's worth.

I'm really trying to give discord a chance but it's just too much activity for me there, much harder to follow conversations and visually kind of a big step back from the forum. It's at the same time too dull and too modern and really clashes with the style of Elvenar.
When I visit the forum it feels like it's just an extension to the game. Discord, on the other hand, takes me right out of the world and mindset of Elvenar and makes me feel like I'm in some kind of "The Matrix" game. Chances are that I'll just turn into one of those members who only check for info without participating in the conversations.
But I do hope that eventually you'll also move there. I like reading your posts and you're one the few members left here who were already around when I joined so I'd miss seeing your name there.
 

Jake65

Sage
I'm really trying to give discord a chance but it's just too much activity for me there
Agreed.
I'm going to wait a few weeks and see if the initial noise quietens when the (for some) excitement of Discord wears off.
Maybe it settles down into a similar style of this forum and less "good morning I had eggs for breakfast" irrelevance.
However, if someone posts a picture of their breakfast then I'm gone o_O
 

C-Nymph

Necromancer
I would at least advise those of us forumlovers who do decide to visit Discord to ignore the chat channels (the ones with a #) and focus on the forum channels instead (the ones with two speech bubbles). Replies there are slower paced and not as chaotic. The chat channels really are just chatty and very fast paced, not much of significance is said there either, info is easily lost there because of the speed of (short one sentence) replies, with easily 100-250 new messages every time I log back in (at this point I have just muted the chat channels).

The forum discussion channels will be the closest to what we have here, even though the allowed amount of words per reply is limited, so lengthier reflections will have to be split into multiple replies. Info is also less likely to get lost there because discussions there are organised by title, like they are on the forum here.
It’s not the same, and I’d still prefer it if they kept the forums alive as well, but at least this might help some players to know there is still a place on the Discord server where they could maybe feel comfortable joining the discussions.

Especially @m4rt1n and @Laurelin who have already voiced they’d not make the transfer and will be sincerely missed as a discussion partner <3

Maybe it settles down into a similar style of this forum and less "good morning I had eggs for breakfast" irrelevance.
However, if someone posts a picture of their breakfast then I'm gone o_O
At this moment we aren’t allowed to post pictures or links on the Discord server so even if I wanted to I can’t show you the lovely healthy fruit breakfast my significant other made me ;)
 

sunrae

Soothsayer
One truly sad thing is that we will lose all the indepth and extraordinarily well researched information guides, such as Mykans to name one. I have so many names in my mind, players that have now gone but have left great ideas and help. All this will be lost. For me the forum runs alongside the game and it really is a great shame - and an end to a wonderful era. :( I will continue to log on for as long as I can, I'm sure soon nobody will even remember the forum but for me it has been an integral part of the game.
 

Jake65

Sage
At this moment we aren’t allowed to post pictures or links on the Discord server so even if I wanted to I can’t show you the lovely healthy fruit breakfast my significant other made me ;)
:D :D :D
 

C-Nymph

Necromancer
One truly sad thing is that we will lose all the indepth and extraordinarily well researched information guides, such as Mykans to name one. I have so many names in my mind, players that have now gone but have left great ideas and help. All this will be lost. For me the forum runs alongside the game and it really is a great shame - and an end to a wonderful era. :( I will continue to log on for as long as I can, I'm sure soon nobody will even remember the forum but for me it has been an integral part of the game.
I do know they are trying to secure all those guides (among which Mykan's) to the "Did you know" section on Discord. Not sure it will be the same, but I know Mykan and the other players who have made guides are trying to make it work and to preserve the knowledge.
Just wish it wasn't necessary and we could just keep the forums, even if only as a sort of library that we can still refer to.
 

Silmaril

Community Manager
Elvenar Team
Hey guys, Just to confirm, we have no plans to remove any information from here, we have though opened up a Did you Know section on Discord to move across files there too.
Our plan is not to make things difficult, but more that we would like our players to engage more and requests have been snowballing us for years for an official Discord channel.
 

OldHag

Necromancer
Will we still be able to post on here @Silmaril or are all the mods off to Discord and if so, why can't at least one mod stay here in case we accidentally misbehave ourselves. :)

Edit - forget it, it's pointless.
 
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C-Nymph

Necromancer
we have no plans to remove any information from here
That sounds different than the initial official announcement... That announcement was quite definitive ("In the long term, we plan to fully transition to Discord, but for at least the upcoming months the forums will remain open and accessible"), I understood from that that the forums will be closed in a couple months. Has that changed?
 

SkyRider99

Immortal
Hey guys, Just to confirm, we have no plans to remove any information from here, we have though opened up a Did you Know section on Discord to move across files there too.
Our plan is not to make things difficult, but more that we would like our players to engage more and requests have been snowballing us for years for an official Discord channel.
So this new official Discord channel is just an additional way to communicate, and not a forum replacement? It doesn't seem feasible to have forum messages split between the two different systems though. o_O
 
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