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Not categorically. It still depends on the whole calculation and (more importantly) it depends how much use you will get from a little extra barracks training speed. Many players use Merc Camp for the most part and you don't get any extra LR fighting power so there are probably not many people that would benefit from the highest few levels of Needles.Slightly off topic.
I assume the additional levels on Needles (Level 30+)are a definite no no. Am I correct?
If my MM saves me 3 more units in each fight but I lose 4 more units because of the bigger SS then the net gain would be -1 unit per fight.
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At some point already in existence or in the future the gain in SS and therefore the increase in losses will outstrip the benefit in unit loss reduction.
Indeed. I did mention using diamonds to gain UUU. I'm not sure what par is, but I'd guess someone with max timeboosts doing 2 tourneys per building might get 100% health boost - which makes the MM gain fairly small if there aren't many other wonders. I just brought it up as the one edge case where at least in theory you could kill off the benefit. I can't see it happening in reality.I don't think anyone can do this consistently, unless they are also consistently throwing a lot of diamonds at the MA.
Slightly off topic.
I assume the additional levels on Needles (Level 30+)are a definite no no. Am I correct?
No I was not ignoring that and 3 was a fictional number, as I said you cannot quantify it.You've ignored the fact that the bigger your squad size the bigger the effect of the MM will be. You quote the MM benefit as a fixed number (3), but then treat the cost as scaling with the other tourney factors. In reality BOTH numbers scale equally. For a more advanced city the extra losses would be larger due to higher tourney cost factors; but with those large squad sizes the MM benefit would also be large.
Indeed. I did mention using diamonds to gain UUU. I'm not sure what par is, but I'd guess someone with max timeboosts doing 2 tourneys per building might get 100% health boost - which makes the MM gain fairly small if there aren't many other wonders. I just brought it up as the one edge case where at least in theory you could kill off the benefit. I can't see it happening in reality.
If you loose 10% in a battle and presume MM reduces it to 9.5% then
If I have 1000 units on the battlefield in the first battle I loose 100 units, in the second I Loose 95 units.
Now lets say we add some more levels and it drops to 9% losses. but unit size increases to 2000 units
2000 units *0.09 = 180 units lost
In this hypothetical scenario my SS increased and due that increase, event the lower loss of units will mean I loose more units.
I went from 95 units lost to 180 units lost.
Not true. Only the first 333 levels doubles.200 or so would need to do 533 AW upgrades
increases it to 1018 for a player with 0 existing AW levels
increases it to 1012 for a player with 167 existing AW levels
increases it to 1006 for a player with 667 existing AW levels
It doesn´t matter how much penalty the martial monastery could or coudn´t give you, or how much loses in terms of single units it could cause you with 3-4 Brown Bears (aka imba bears), 4-6 UUUs, and thousands of time boosters that penalty is a little fly to a player with all that.
Slightly off topic.
I assume the additional levels on Needles (Level 30+)are a definite no no. Am I correct?
From what folk have said, it would seem the first level (31) is worth it.I´d say you are entering the area where the benefits and costs get very close to each other... I did 1 or 2 of them because all the better options were already done and I don´t want to do the ones that are even worse. But I think I stopped halfway through those 5 levels just because the exercise is so pointless and I started giving away free KP to fellows and then pile the rest up in my KP bar which is less work than upgrading AWs that give me no net benefit lol.
From what folk have said, it would seem the first level (31) is worth it.
Now, if I only had the resources!
Oh no it isn't (never too early for panto). 265k orcs, 150k moonstone, 150k platinum & 150k Tree Gum.31 is a rune circle s
Blows raspberry, sticks out tongue and waggles fingers with thumbs in ears.
I never bothered with Toads level 31.31 is a rune circle so it certainly is always the best one for all AWs past 30
I never bothered with Toads level 31.