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I've been thinking about this question for a while now and finally I decided to do some calculating to see how accurate these ratios are. Right now 1 elixir/magic dust/gem is valuated as 4 silk/crystal/scrolls and 16 marble/planks/steel. But how is the reality?
There are of course many factors that set the value of these materials, and I have done my best to look at some of them. Could really 100 gems be as valuable as 1600 marble?
It’s going to be quite a long post and plenty of spelling errors but try to bear with me!
I'm going to tackle this problem from the point in the game where I'm currently in, which is the early midgame with the human race. My production boosts are: Marble, Silk and Gems. I made sure to compare their values when they are on the same boost-% which for me is 279%. All my manufactories are maxed at the advanced level, which for Marble Manufactories (MM) is lvl 8, for Silk manufactories (SM) lvl 9 and last but not least Gem Manufactories (GM) lvl 8.
So how do we compare these goods? The answer is: space. How much space these manufactories takes up in your village. It is probably not the whole truth, but I think it's close to it. A lvl 8 MM takes up 2x3=6 squares right? Yes, but there's more to it than that, it needs culture, which takes up space, population which also takes up space and the tools that you use to produce the resources comes from workshops who also takes up space.
Culture Space
Let’s start by looking at culture, depending of what culture buildings you’re going to have more or less effective culture space. Let’s say there was a culture building giving 800 culture and taking up 8 squares, then it would give 80 culture/square. This means a building requiring for example 400 culture takes up 4 squares culture space. So culture space varies depending on what kind of culture buildings you’re using, in these calculations I’ll be using the Battle Monument that gives 690/12=57,5 culture/square.
Population Space
Next is population space. Population is gained from residences and I’ll be using lvl 15 residences in this post, which is the highest level pre dwarven buildings. A lvl 15 residence takes up 12 squares and gives 560 pop. giving it 560/12=46,67 pop/square, but that’s not accounting the culture space it takes up, since it takes up 158 culture we have to add this as well. 12+(158/57,5)=14,75 and a pop/square of ca 37,98.
Coin and Tools production space
Last is the space needed to produce the tools and coins needed for the goods. I was not sure how to calculate the space needed to produce the coins since you get it from helping your neighbors as well as residences… so I decided to make it the same as the space needed for tools. Now, toolspace is going to be very individual, it depends on what kind of goods you are making in the workshop, your culture bonus and the level on the workshop. In my example I will be using a lvl 15 workshop with 100% culture bonus producing only bread.
The size for a lvl 15 workshop is 12 squares, + culturespace which is 169/57,5=2,94, +populationspace which is 471/37,98=27,34. In other words a whopping 27,34 squares is needed to maintain a lvl 15 workshop (with battle monuments and lvl 15 residences).
But we’re not done yet with workshops, we need to calculate the space needed to produce the tools.
The workshop in this example produces 828 tools/h making it 2484 tools/3h. I want to look at the productions per 3 hours since we will compare it with the goods manufactories later.
So the production per square is then: 2484/27,34=90,85 prod(3h)/square.
Finally after explaining all that we will get to compare the different manufactories!
Marble (lvl8, 279% production boost from relics)
Production: 118 marble/3h, which cost 620 coins and 62 tools.
Size: 2x3=6
CultureSpace(CS): 37/57,5=0,64
PopulationSpace(PS): 139/37,97=3,66
ProductionCostSpace(PCS): 62/90,85= 0,68 , and we double that to account for the coins. Making it 1,36.
TotalSpace(TS) required: 6+0,64+3,66+1,36= 11,67 squares (note, im not displaying the whole numbers with all decimals here since they would take up too much space, but I do use all decimals in the calculations.)
So production/space for marble is: 118/11,67= ca 10,1
Silk (lvl 9, 279% production boost from relics)
Prod.: 262 silk/3h, which cost 5520 coins and 552 tools.
Size: 3x4=12
CS: 140/57,5=2,43
PS: 373/37,97=9,82
PCS: (552/90,85)x2=12,15
TS: 12+2,43+9,82+12,15=36,4 squares
Prod/space: 262/36,4=7,2
But.. but wait a moment. 10,1 (marble production/space) divided with 7,2 (silks production/space) is: 1,4.
Meaning: 10 silk is worth roughly 14 marble in this example, not 40! Could this be true? Of course it all depends on what culture buildings and residences you have but I really doubt it will ever come close to the 1:4 relation the market has or even 1:3. But let’s continue with gems.
Gems (lvl 8, 279% production boost from relics)
Prod.: 315 gems/3h, which cost 26600 coins and 2660 tools.
Size: 4x4=16
CS: 175/57,5=3,04
PS: 541/37,97=14,25
PCS: (2660/90,85)x2=58,56
TS: 16+3,04+14,25+58,56=91,85 squares
Prod/space: 315/91,85=3,4
Making 1 gem the same value as roughly 3 marble (not 16).
End notes
Hope this made any sense at least!
I just wanted to post this before going to bed to get it off my head in a way and hope anyone can prove me totally wrong.
Good night!
I've been thinking about this question for a while now and finally I decided to do some calculating to see how accurate these ratios are. Right now 1 elixir/magic dust/gem is valuated as 4 silk/crystal/scrolls and 16 marble/planks/steel. But how is the reality?
There are of course many factors that set the value of these materials, and I have done my best to look at some of them. Could really 100 gems be as valuable as 1600 marble?
It’s going to be quite a long post and plenty of spelling errors but try to bear with me!
I'm going to tackle this problem from the point in the game where I'm currently in, which is the early midgame with the human race. My production boosts are: Marble, Silk and Gems. I made sure to compare their values when they are on the same boost-% which for me is 279%. All my manufactories are maxed at the advanced level, which for Marble Manufactories (MM) is lvl 8, for Silk manufactories (SM) lvl 9 and last but not least Gem Manufactories (GM) lvl 8.
So how do we compare these goods? The answer is: space. How much space these manufactories takes up in your village. It is probably not the whole truth, but I think it's close to it. A lvl 8 MM takes up 2x3=6 squares right? Yes, but there's more to it than that, it needs culture, which takes up space, population which also takes up space and the tools that you use to produce the resources comes from workshops who also takes up space.
Culture Space
Let’s start by looking at culture, depending of what culture buildings you’re going to have more or less effective culture space. Let’s say there was a culture building giving 800 culture and taking up 8 squares, then it would give 80 culture/square. This means a building requiring for example 400 culture takes up 4 squares culture space. So culture space varies depending on what kind of culture buildings you’re using, in these calculations I’ll be using the Battle Monument that gives 690/12=57,5 culture/square.
Population Space
Next is population space. Population is gained from residences and I’ll be using lvl 15 residences in this post, which is the highest level pre dwarven buildings. A lvl 15 residence takes up 12 squares and gives 560 pop. giving it 560/12=46,67 pop/square, but that’s not accounting the culture space it takes up, since it takes up 158 culture we have to add this as well. 12+(158/57,5)=14,75 and a pop/square of ca 37,98.
Coin and Tools production space
Last is the space needed to produce the tools and coins needed for the goods. I was not sure how to calculate the space needed to produce the coins since you get it from helping your neighbors as well as residences… so I decided to make it the same as the space needed for tools. Now, toolspace is going to be very individual, it depends on what kind of goods you are making in the workshop, your culture bonus and the level on the workshop. In my example I will be using a lvl 15 workshop with 100% culture bonus producing only bread.
The size for a lvl 15 workshop is 12 squares, + culturespace which is 169/57,5=2,94, +populationspace which is 471/37,98=27,34. In other words a whopping 27,34 squares is needed to maintain a lvl 15 workshop (with battle monuments and lvl 15 residences).
But we’re not done yet with workshops, we need to calculate the space needed to produce the tools.
The workshop in this example produces 828 tools/h making it 2484 tools/3h. I want to look at the productions per 3 hours since we will compare it with the goods manufactories later.
So the production per square is then: 2484/27,34=90,85 prod(3h)/square.
Finally after explaining all that we will get to compare the different manufactories!
Marble (lvl8, 279% production boost from relics)
Production: 118 marble/3h, which cost 620 coins and 62 tools.
Size: 2x3=6
CultureSpace(CS): 37/57,5=0,64
PopulationSpace(PS): 139/37,97=3,66
ProductionCostSpace(PCS): 62/90,85= 0,68 , and we double that to account for the coins. Making it 1,36.
TotalSpace(TS) required: 6+0,64+3,66+1,36= 11,67 squares (note, im not displaying the whole numbers with all decimals here since they would take up too much space, but I do use all decimals in the calculations.)
So production/space for marble is: 118/11,67= ca 10,1
Silk (lvl 9, 279% production boost from relics)
Prod.: 262 silk/3h, which cost 5520 coins and 552 tools.
Size: 3x4=12
CS: 140/57,5=2,43
PS: 373/37,97=9,82
PCS: (552/90,85)x2=12,15
TS: 12+2,43+9,82+12,15=36,4 squares
Prod/space: 262/36,4=7,2
But.. but wait a moment. 10,1 (marble production/space) divided with 7,2 (silks production/space) is: 1,4.
Meaning: 10 silk is worth roughly 14 marble in this example, not 40! Could this be true? Of course it all depends on what culture buildings and residences you have but I really doubt it will ever come close to the 1:4 relation the market has or even 1:3. But let’s continue with gems.
Gems (lvl 8, 279% production boost from relics)
Prod.: 315 gems/3h, which cost 26600 coins and 2660 tools.
Size: 4x4=16
CS: 175/57,5=3,04
PS: 541/37,97=14,25
PCS: (2660/90,85)x2=58,56
TS: 16+3,04+14,25+58,56=91,85 squares
Prod/space: 315/91,85=3,4
Making 1 gem the same value as roughly 3 marble (not 16).
End notes
Hope this made any sense at least!
I just wanted to post this before going to bed to get it off my head in a way and hope anyone can prove me totally wrong.
Good night!
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