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Answered How Humans do Spire

Fligigel

Conjurer
We have a new human member (chap 9) in our fellowship who has plenty of space, but is a clogged up, low yield, monument collector, with a tournament score which ground to a halt in the last few years. Existed in a dying fellowship, and probably sat there for a year or two.

As an elf, I would advise that Spire can be done by turbo troops manufacture: Needles, Dwarven Bulwark, garden stones, high barracks. But humans supposedly don't have a bulwark. How does a human lift production?
 

SunriseBuilder

Illusionist
I think the humans do get a Dwarven Bullock but nobody gets it till the end of Dwarves, chapter VI. What chapter is your human in?
 

Fligigel

Conjurer
Chap 9. 93 expansions.

Google ai is being no help. He has Bell Spire and Sanctuary around 6,7. Sanctuary is Marital Monastry?

I notice a Needles has suddenly appeared, so the archmage might have sent hints already.
 

Pauly7

Manipulator of Matter
Of course humans have a Dwarven Bulwark. The only difference between humans and elves is that Martial Monastery is called Sanctuary and Crystal Lighthouse is called The Great Bell Spire.

I have no idea what your subject "How humans do spire" means. And I have no idea what you are driving at when you say "As an elf...".
 

Lady K

Soothsayer
We have a new human member (chap 9) in our fellowship who has plenty of space, but is a clogged up, low yield, monument collector, with a tournament score which ground to a halt in the last few years. Existed in a dying fellowship, and probably sat there for a year or two.

As an elf, I would advise that Spire can be done by turbo troops manufacture: Needles, Dwarven Bulwark, garden stones, high barracks. But humans supposedly don't have a bulwark. How does a human lift production?
Go through checking all upgrades are done, squad, armouries etc, etc and picking a couple of well suited Aw's. It was C9 that I managed to succeed climbing the Spire but think it was through a mix of neg and fighting for a while. Not now it's fighting all the way grrr! :)
 

Fligigel

Conjurer
I think I was the victim of artificial stupidity, due to perhaps a leading question that caused ai hallucinations. I should have just looked at a human Wonder menu


AI Overview

There is no direct "human equivalent to the Dwarven Bulwark" in Elvenar, as the Dwarven Bulwark is a Dwarven-race-specific Ancient Wonder (AW) that boosts troop production by increasing Armory size. To achieve a similar effect with Human-race-based Ancient Wonders, you would look for other AWs that provide significant troop or population bonuses, but there isn't a single, direct counterpart to the Bulwark's specific bonus.
Why there's no direct equivalent:
Race-Specific Buildings:
Ancient Wonders like the Dwarven Bulwark are often tied to the race that unlocks them, offering unique benefits within that race's context.
Different Strategies:
Each race has different ways to progress and maximize efficiency. Humans have their own set of valuable Ancient Wonders and production buildings that serve different strategic purposes, such as population or supply generation.
How to achieve a similar goal with Humans:
1. Focus on Human Ancient Wonders:
Research and build Human-specific Ancient Wonders that provide troop or population bonuses.
2. Leverage Human Buildings:
Utilize Human production and specialized buildings, like those found in the Sorcerers & Dragons chapter, to gain comparable advantages.
 

Pauly7

Manipulator of Matter
There is no direct "human equivalent to the Dwarven Bulwark" in Elvenar, as the Dwarven Bulwark is a Dwarven-race-specific Ancient Wonder (AW) that boosts troop production by increasing Armory size. To achieve a similar effect with Human-race-based Ancient Wonders, you would look for other AWs that provide significant troop or population bonuses, but there isn't a single, direct counterpart to the Bulwark's specific bonus.
Why there's no direct equivalent:
Race-Specific Buildings:
Ancient Wonders like the Dwarven Bulwark are often tied to the race that unlocks them, offering unique benefits within that race's context.
Different Strategies:
Each race has different ways to progress and maximize efficiency. Humans have their own set of valuable Ancient Wonders and production buildings that serve different strategic purposes, such as population or supply generation.
How to achieve a similar goal with Humans:
1. Focus on Human Ancient Wonders:
Research and build Human-specific Ancient Wonders that provide troop or population bonuses.
2. Leverage Human Buildings:
Utilize Human production and specialized buildings, like those found in the Sorcerers & Dragons chapter, to gain comparable advantages.
Herein lies the dangers of AI. Nothing in the above is true. On a wider note, I have even given up using search engines due to the likelihood of receiving AI based results. I'm not even talking about Google's built in AI assistant. I mean that the majority of the internet being created from this point forward is AI generated. Much of it is fake and exists purely to profit whoever is controlling its posting.

Ironically I now use AI to combat AI, by using ChatGPT to search Google for me and filter out the nonsense.

Sorry, big body swerve and digression. As you were.
 
I mean that the majority of the internet being created from this point forward is AI generated.
The genie has been released. Be afraid. Be very afraid!

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Pauly7

Manipulator of Matter
Ha! It came to my attention yesterday that another well known online game has a "Vestibule of Eternity".
 

Valedoress

Scholar
Why on earth anyone with half a brain would rely on AI is beyond me. Just ask some well know fast food outlets with drive-thru's how that worked out for them. Even before AI popped up, the vast majority of the Internet was complete bullocks (not dwarven though!)

Libraries everywhere are shutting down because the world gets dumber with each new generation. Knowledge is Power, this is why the elites want your head stuck in a screen instead of a book. Control the narrative, control the population.
 
Knowledge is Power, this is why the elites want your head stuck in a screen instead of a book. Control the narrative, control the population.
Very perceptive mate! Authoritarian dictatorships having used this process to subjugate their societies for decades. Unfortunately the effect is cumulative, so your average person cannot even see the liberties they are throwing away.

Humans do Spire just as well as Elves.
I have always thought so. Human or Elf, we are all at the tender mercies of the punishment being dished out. ;)
 
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