Jake65
Sage
Thanks for this.
Then presumably the cities from A that stay in A would cover the non- production type badges.
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Answered How do you get such high FA scores?
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Then presumably the cities from A that stay in A would cover the non- production type badges.
Lymhir
Spellcaster
Cities from B still perform well in the tournament/spire, I think they practically use diplomacy thanks to resources accumulated by trading in FS B.
uthred the great slayer
Dreamer
that's exactly how they do it. Use cities that have no other purpose than scoring high in FAs. A bit desperate to be first in my way of thinking but if that's how they get their kicks then so be it
Sir Derf
Adept
And again I ask, why does this bother you? What is this doing to you? What difference does it make?
Your original post opined that "...people are not happy about it..." and that you "...don't think that it should be allowed...". Why? What are they getting that you aren't getting that is so important?
Your original post opined that "...people are not happy about it..." and that you "...don't think that it should be allowed...". Why? What are they getting that you aren't getting that is so important?
Silly Bubbles
Necromancer
The problem can be either that they are cheating or other people’s jealousy. I still think that anyone can do it when they put the same effort in it. The top FSs sacrifice a lot to get the ranking and I think it’s deserved and any FS can do it with the same effort. So if you want the ranking, you just put the same effort as they do and you will get it.
That some people specialise their city for FA still takes an effort and sacrifice. Some people like it, the same way as some people like tournaments or building their cities or Spire etc. I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't stop you from building a city like that yourself if you really enjoy FA. Of course, if you don't enjoy FA as much as they do, it will be very hard to get what they get.
That some people specialise their city for FA still takes an effort and sacrifice. Some people like it, the same way as some people like tournaments or building their cities or Spire etc. I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't stop you from building a city like that yourself if you really enjoy FA. Of course, if you don't enjoy FA as much as they do, it will be very hard to get what they get.
Sir Derf
Adept
Okay, ignore all my earlier posts.
So, "...people are not happy about it..." and you "...don't think that it should be allowed...". And you convince INNO that they should do something about it. What is the "it", and what should that "something" be?
Is the problem making a city that has a shantytown that is too big? Do you develop an algorithm to determine the boundary of allowed/prevented quantities of different building types?
Is the problem having too many cities with Shantytowns in a Fellowship? Do you prevent the 5th Shantytown from joining? Do you prevent the fifth city currently in the Fellowship from building a Shantytown?
Is the problem that there are cities that participate in Elvenar without significant progression in city development? How do you define "significant progression", and do you prevent said cities from participating?
Is the problem having cities that specialize in certain badge types? Do you require some spread of donated badges from each city and prevent cities from donating certain badges when out of balance?
IS the problem having too many new members joining a Fellowship soon to the start of an FA? Do you block additions in a window before the start of the FA, or cap additions in said window?
Is the problem having cities cyclically joining and leaving Fellowships around FAs? Do you limit the number of times you can rejoin a Fellowship?
Is the problem having a Fellowship, or one or more Fellows, toping, or being near the top of the Leaderboard consecutively? Do you lock a Fellowship, or Fellows, out of FAs?
Would any of the above "somethings" actually work and stop the "it"? Would there be workarounds that allow similar "it"s? Would the currently "not happy about it" people be happier? Would there be more people not happy about the "something"?
So, "...people are not happy about it..." and you "...don't think that it should be allowed...". And you convince INNO that they should do something about it. What is the "it", and what should that "something" be?
Is the problem making a city that has a shantytown that is too big? Do you develop an algorithm to determine the boundary of allowed/prevented quantities of different building types?
Is the problem having too many cities with Shantytowns in a Fellowship? Do you prevent the 5th Shantytown from joining? Do you prevent the fifth city currently in the Fellowship from building a Shantytown?
Is the problem that there are cities that participate in Elvenar without significant progression in city development? How do you define "significant progression", and do you prevent said cities from participating?
Is the problem having cities that specialize in certain badge types? Do you require some spread of donated badges from each city and prevent cities from donating certain badges when out of balance?
IS the problem having too many new members joining a Fellowship soon to the start of an FA? Do you block additions in a window before the start of the FA, or cap additions in said window?
Is the problem having cities cyclically joining and leaving Fellowships around FAs? Do you limit the number of times you can rejoin a Fellowship?
Is the problem having a Fellowship, or one or more Fellows, toping, or being near the top of the Leaderboard consecutively? Do you lock a Fellowship, or Fellows, out of FAs?
Would any of the above "somethings" actually work and stop the "it"? Would there be workarounds that allow similar "it"s? Would the currently "not happy about it" people be happier? Would there be more people not happy about the "something"?
Monohr
Spellcaster
The problem is that there a lot of shantytown accounts part of big push-accounts conglomerates used to cheat the game, and you can't convince me otherwise.
People can play however they want, yes. Maybe they got specific, specialized roles. Maybe two sister fellowships swap players for the FA but I think that's unlikely.
Those problems, Sir Derf, are ok, as long as there are unique players behind the accounts! Good for them if it's all legitimate.
real example: acc in chapter 3, playing since 2018, with 4 moonstone sets, score stagnant for a long time
I don't see how and why a normal player would enjoy the game like this, missing on events, buildings and good scores in spire and tourneys.
observed this in 3 different fellowships, some more obvious than others.
To quote from support
I can see why inno would allow multiple accounts. What they should do is prevent them from interacting with one another.
No to being in the same fellowship in the first place, no to donating KP, no to anything. If you have free time and want to play more go in another FS or another server all together.
People can play however they want, yes. Maybe they got specific, specialized roles. Maybe two sister fellowships swap players for the FA but I think that's unlikely.
Those problems, Sir Derf, are ok, as long as there are unique players behind the accounts! Good for them if it's all legitimate.
real example: acc in chapter 3, playing since 2018, with 4 moonstone sets, score stagnant for a long time
I don't see how and why a normal player would enjoy the game like this, missing on events, buildings and good scores in spire and tourneys.
To quote from support
I can see why inno would allow multiple accounts. What they should do is prevent them from interacting with one another.
No to being in the same fellowship in the first place, no to donating KP, no to anything. If you have free time and want to play more go in another FS or another server all together.
owl76
Bard
The issue is how would one determine it is one person with the multiple accounts and not multiple people in the same household with an account each?
Not everyone plays the game for the same reasons. I have two cities (in different worlds) and one of these is in chapter 3 and I have no intention of progressing it further through the research. I am looking to see what I can do with that city without chapter progression. One reason being that I am not interested in doing the guest races again.
There is no reason to miss out on the spire though. I've got that city to the top of the spire for multiple weeks in a row. If you are not using goods/supplies/coins for research progression and building upgrades then you have more to use in the spire.
Sir Derf
Adept
The part of all this that I still don't understand is the focus on that these are top FA Fellowships. That that's the bad part. Why?
It's not that they are 'gaming the system' to earn the three chests. You know, the three chests that INNO has unlimited supply of, that all 1,120 Fellowships could equally earn. The three chests that give out Carting Libraries on Map 1, which give out KP (2,500 across the Fellowship), which could be of help to a main city in a push network, if that's what's happening? Are these 'cheating' cities optimizing for an efficient route up Map 1 for the KP? No, that's not what's happening, and not what you're complaining about.
The three chests that give out Ferris Wheel Galores, which give out KP and AWKP, which could be of help to the main city in a push network, if that's what happening? Are these 'cheating' cities optimizing for an efficient route up all three Maps? No, that's not what's happening and not what you're complaining about.
No, you're complaining about Fellowships 'gaming the system' to complete the three Maps (efficient or complete) and continue dumping badges in the Pit, in order to be top on the leaderboard. For what? What is the point of the 'cheating'? Is it the special buildings? The Time Boosters? The Fellowship Perk Points? Are you complaining that they are gaining an 'unfair' advantage from any of these? Are you complaining that you are losing out on any of these?
Or are you complaining about the Leaderboard Ranking itself, independent of the rewards given to the top 100 ,or top 20, Fellowships? The meaningless ability to say "We're Number 3"? And, if that's the case, are you complaining because your Fellowship would be nearer to the top of the Leaderboard if it weren't for these 'meddling FAs'? Or just complaining for the principle of the thing, and not because you are losing out on anything helpful, or that they are actually gaining anything helpful?
I understand the "how" you think these Fellowships are 'cheating'. I'm just unclear of the 'why' you think these Fellowships are cheating.
Why is getting to the top of the Leaderboard in an 'unfair' way a bad thing?
It's not that they are 'gaming the system' to earn the three chests. You know, the three chests that INNO has unlimited supply of, that all 1,120 Fellowships could equally earn. The three chests that give out Carting Libraries on Map 1, which give out KP (2,500 across the Fellowship), which could be of help to a main city in a push network, if that's what's happening? Are these 'cheating' cities optimizing for an efficient route up Map 1 for the KP? No, that's not what's happening, and not what you're complaining about.
The three chests that give out Ferris Wheel Galores, which give out KP and AWKP, which could be of help to the main city in a push network, if that's what happening? Are these 'cheating' cities optimizing for an efficient route up all three Maps? No, that's not what's happening and not what you're complaining about.
No, you're complaining about Fellowships 'gaming the system' to complete the three Maps (efficient or complete) and continue dumping badges in the Pit, in order to be top on the leaderboard. For what? What is the point of the 'cheating'? Is it the special buildings? The Time Boosters? The Fellowship Perk Points? Are you complaining that they are gaining an 'unfair' advantage from any of these? Are you complaining that you are losing out on any of these?
Or are you complaining about the Leaderboard Ranking itself, independent of the rewards given to the top 100 ,or top 20, Fellowships? The meaningless ability to say "We're Number 3"? And, if that's the case, are you complaining because your Fellowship would be nearer to the top of the Leaderboard if it weren't for these 'meddling FAs'? Or just complaining for the principle of the thing, and not because you are losing out on anything helpful, or that they are actually gaining anything helpful?
I understand the "how" you think these Fellowships are 'cheating'. I'm just unclear of the 'why' you think these Fellowships are cheating.
Why is getting to the top of the Leaderboard in an 'unfair' way a bad thing?